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Millions of people around the world believe we have been

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visited in the past by extraterrestrial beings.

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What if it were true?

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For over a decade, the hit TV series,

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Ancient Aliens, has examined the profound and highly

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controversial theory that extraterrestrials came to Earth

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thousands of years ago, and quite possibly, never left.

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Now, on a special two-hour Ancient Aliens event...

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I think it's utterly, utterly fascinating.

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William Shatner will boldly go where he has never gone before,

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talking to scientists, spiritual leaders,

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and of course, ancient astronaut theorists

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in an attempt to answer the question,

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could it be that Earth has been visited by extraterrestrials?

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Convincing me about ancient aliens is the first step

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into convincing me about the existence of the higher power.

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So, convince me.

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Hello, my name is Shatner,

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and we have around here this roundtable of experts

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in esoteric knowledge, practical knowledge,

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but also people who are equally curious about aliens.

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I love the idea that we've been visited,

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we have been, we will be, we are by aliens,

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but I have my doubts.

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I want to be convinced of what you guys know

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and what you guys have done for a decade and more

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on Ancient Aliens.

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So, I throw it open.

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You, Giorgio.

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There are ancient texts and oral traditions

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that have been handed down for thousands of years,

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and pretty much, they all begin in the same way

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that a long, long time ago,

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someone taught us how to build the ancient structures,

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how to figure out mathematics and agriculture

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and all those different things.

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Ancient astronaut theory suggests that at some point

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we've had teachers, and they have far more advanced technology

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that our ancestors thought was divine or magic.

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Ancient astronaut theory challenges humankind's

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most established understandings of history,

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archaeology, science, and religion.

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Proponents suggest that the truth behind the very origins

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of the human race is far different and far more profound

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than what we've been taught.

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Ancient cultures have these very detailed stories

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of the so-called gods and described someone

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descending from the sky.

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We have these stories worldwide,

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and so the ancient astronaut theory suggests

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that these gods were in flesh and blood, exoterrestrials,

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whom our ancestors misinterpreted as divine,

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only because they descended from the sky.

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All civilizations talk about beings coming from the sky

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to assist humankind in development.

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They taught astrology, astronomy,

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how to make offensive and defensive weapons.

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And these traditions are all over the world,

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and what they say is there were these avatars,

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like Osiris, like Viracocha, coming from the sky.

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Their mission was to bring civilization to man

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and to teach them medicine, arts, metallurgy,

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how to build things, construction, architecture,

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everything that we know.

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Let me ask you a question about legends then,

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because this is all legendary.

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Legends are verbal.

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They're oral traditions.

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If I told you a joke, the whole joke would be different

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when it got to the other end of the table.

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Legends are oral traditions told around a campfire that changed.

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oral traditions were actually very rigidly passed on

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Okay, I'm good with that.

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From all of you who've spent a lifetime studying evidence

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that ancient aliens came here, are here, were here.

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I need you to explain to me the timeline.

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Did Eric Vondanakon start it all, or was he popularizing it?

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And ancient aliens is continuing that today.

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In 1968, Swiss author Eric Vondanakon

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published what would become the seminal book

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for the ancient astronaut theory, chariots of the gods.

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The highly controversial text posed the question,

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did aliens come to Earth centuries ago?

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It caused an instant sensation,

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and two years later, a feature-length documentary

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based on Vondanakon's book was so highly regarded

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that it was nominated for an Academy Award.

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Chariots of the Gods was one of the most impactful

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and most intriguing publications in the modern history.

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The questions made people seek an answer.

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Chariots of the Gods led to a fundamental rethink

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about our history, our origins,

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and indeed our place in the cosmos.

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It helped motivate and push science a little bit

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to think about things differently.

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is in this space and the intersection

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between religion, science,

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and other ways of thinking about the world,

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you added a new piece and a new dynamic.

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When I was ten years old, my dad read Eric Vondanakon's book

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and gave it to me and said,

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read this son, it'll open your mind.

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So that led me to be a scientist to find out

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well, I want to know what this really is saying.

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And if these things actually did happen,

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what can we learn from it that we could use today

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to make our lives better today?

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I think we can have him join on a Zoom call.

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Let's get Eric Vondanakon, father of the ancient

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alien theory on screen.

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There he is.

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Eric Vondanakon, how are you?

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Hi, Eric. Good to see you. Hi.

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Eric, tell me what the ancient alien theory is.

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I spent six years in a Catholic boarding school

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led by Jesuits in Switzerland.

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from Latin to Greek and from Greek to German.

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And I was a deep, absolute deep believer in God.

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By the way, I still, as an old man,

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I still am a believer in God.

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But God, for me as a boy, had to have some qualities.

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For example, God does not need a vehicle

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in which to move from point A to point B.

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God is all over or God is timeless.

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Now, while making these translations,

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I came together with the God who had vehicles.

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He was moving around, written by the prophet of Ezekiel,

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by Moses, and others.

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So I simply had doubts in my own Catholic education.

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And I discovered the book of Enoch.

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Talk to us about Enoch.

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Enoch is mentioned in the Bible very, very short.

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In the beginning, you learn he was the seventh patriarch

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before the great flood.

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He was the first human who disappeared

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with his body into the sky.

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Enoch is one of the earliest patriarchs

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mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.

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the man credited with building the ark that saved humankind

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and two of every animal from the great flood.

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his detailed story is told through more than 100 chapters

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in a book that bears his name.

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The book of Enoch can still be found in the Bible

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used by the Ethiopian Orthodox Church.

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they found that 11 different manuscripts

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of the book of Enoch had been preserved,

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indicating that it was considered a work of vital importance.

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Enoch was an incredibly popular book

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it was said he walked with God and then was no more.

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He's the only one in heaven allowed to sit, you know, along with God.

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and he reveals information to humanity.

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tells the story of two angels who visit Enoch

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and take him up to heaven in what is described as a fiery chariot.

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the eye version.

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I did, I hear, I learned.

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He doesn't know what a spaceship is or a mother's spaceship.

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He says, we were over the planet Earth.

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I saw the round face, the round face of the Earth.

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Doors opened and doors closed automatically.

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He was in space in a mother's spaceship.

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But this is all nonsense.

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God would never have stand up from his throne,

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take a few steps to Enoch and shake his hand and welcome him.

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Our ancestors simply didn't understand

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that when they went to that so-called celestial realm,

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that they actually went to put it in a simple term,

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to a spaceship, to a space station

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that is told in ancient texts that were orbiting the Earth.

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And the Bible is full of it.

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And not only the Bible.

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I know many, many myths, legends of this planet.

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And all came to the same thing.

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It was some gods who created humans,

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but always according their own image.

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We are the copy.

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We are the offsprings of extraterrestrials.

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And the so-called God created humans

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according their own image.

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And how do you account for archaeological evidence

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that shows the evolution of Neanderthals chromagnin?

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That's all correct.

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I fully agree with archaeology, with the theory of evolution.

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Except for our branch,

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there was an artificial mutation made by the extraterrestrials.

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And you can really compare it.

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I mean, all our family brothers and sisters, the apes,

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the gorillas, the chimpanzees, they still exist.

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We are still of the same family,

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but they have not created intelligence, language, information.

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Only we.

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Why only we out of the same family tree?

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Because we are the product of an artificial mutation.

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What he's saying is our intelligence is far greater

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than the chimpanzee and gorilla.

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We now know why.

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We have an activated neocortex,

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which is the basis for all human civilization.

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The neocortex of the human brain

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is the region responsible for language, logical reasoning,

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and conscious thought.

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Many scientists believe the activation of the neocortex

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is what makes humans different from all other earthly creatures.

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The neocortex is kind of one layer of our cortex

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that is fairly unique to homo sapiens.

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directly related, particularly to consciousness,

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but probably also some of our other senses

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and the way they interact.

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that most sets us apart from other primates.

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There was a genetic alteration.

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says this is not a natural fusion of chromosome 2

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that activated our neocortex.

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So are you saying that the neocortex was activated by ancient aliens?

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Just a small comment.

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I'm a specialist in the old writings,

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and practically every old writing says the same thing.

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Some gods created humans.

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Now, is this just imagination?

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Worldwide, worldwide, I mean, the Sumerians,

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or the biblical translation, or the Maya in Central America,

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or Plato in Greek.

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Why should they all come to the same lies?

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The gods created humans according to their own image.

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Eric, in your opinion for you,

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what is your top example for a physical representation

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of the ancient astronaut theory?

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There are many.

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One of them which everyone can watch every year.

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Just go down to Mexico, go to the city of Chichen Itza.

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There is a big pyramid laid out in a special way.

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It served as a temple to the feathered serpent god, Kukulkan,

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and was built to re-enact his descent to earth

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through the manipulation of light and shadow.

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The Castillo is a stepped pyramid with some outward radiating staircases,

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and these staircases have big, high balustrades on them.

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the sun casts a shadow across the corner of the stepped pyramid,

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and you see the shadows of the steps on the staircase balustrade.

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Well, at the base of the balustrade are these big carved snake heads.

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And so the entire image is created, an enormous coiled serpent

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that begins to descend from this building at this important sunrise event.

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This message is clear.

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You see god Kukulkan coming down the step of the pyramids

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in form of triangles of light and shadow, light and shadow.

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Eric, why couldn't these people who lived by the weather

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and the sun went to plant their crops, went to harvest?

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Why wouldn't they divine through observation

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that this was the moment to plant?

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Why does it have to prove that an ancient alien gave them the knowledge?

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Because they say it.

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They say it in their writings, in their mythology.

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They say we have received our astronomical knowledge from the gods.

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The first writers of the Maya wrote down in their holy writings

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that a god with the name of Kukulkan,

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which they represented as a snake with feathers,

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descended to them and give them their knowledge.

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It's their idea, not Eric for the annexes.

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Why have our ancestors worldwide created the most gigantic temples or pyramids?

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Why? The answer is all over the world the same for the gods.

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The so-called gods were a teacher.

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They give them information and it's the people who have written down this.

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The basic question that I want to have answers to

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and we're touching on the edges of it,

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but it seems like it's metaphysical.

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I can't quite reach it.

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Why would a civilization, all these billions of light years away

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come here and leave, or if they're here, why aren't they displayed?

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Well, I don't know about the presence, but I'm a specialist in the past.

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And in the past they wanted to multiply intelligence.

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These extraterrestrials changed our line of evolution

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simply because they wanted to multiply intelligence in the universe.

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We are simply too arrogant to accept this.

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We want to be the greatest.

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We should become a little more humble and learn we are not the greatest.

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Eric van Daneken, what a pleasure it is to speak to you.

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We appreciate you being here, Eric, and a pleasure to have talked to you.

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Thank you so much.

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Thank you very much too.

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Talk to me about the physical evidence of ancient aliens.

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There are many areas of the world, all over the world,

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where gigantic, megalithic structures exist that people point at and say,

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how did that get there?

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The crazy part, a lot of the architectural engineering used to build

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some of these large megalithic structures is technology that we do not understand today.

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And these temples are aligned to specific star systems.

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Why do you do that unless you're trying to get there or call people in?

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Well, again, the whole idea of pondering the stars,

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they had nothing to do but lie on their back and say, I see a thing here.

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Nothing to do?

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What?

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Nothing to do.

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Well, just building pyramids, all these slaves, nothing to do.

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No, no, I'm talking about a guy with a beard lying on his back looking at the stars and saying,

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why not a moment?

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Judging from the biological evidence, I think they're very busy doing other things.

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When you're in Egypt and you are in the Ossiri on a temple at a place called Abados,

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you're in a temple that now we think is at least 10,000 years old

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and it's composed of red granite blocks that weigh on average about 50 tons.

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And it's the perfection, the precision, it's an intelligence,

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it's ancient astronaut evidence.

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The Ossirian in Abados is just one of the many ancient megalithic structures

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that can be found all over the world,

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built with stone blocks that weigh tens and even hundreds of tons.

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Stonehenge in England, the ancient temples of Malta,

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Balbek in Lebanon,

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Nan-Midal in Micronesia,

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Saxehuaman in Peru.

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No historical record has ever been found to explain how these

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and dozens of other megalithic structures were made.

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By the way, where were those megalithic blocks mined?

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Was it down in the valley or was it up on the mountains?

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That's also a great question.

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It's often many miles away at Oyante Tombow.

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Over mountains, over valleys, over valleys of water.

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They've brought giant blocks that are weighing 60, 80 tons at Oyante Tombow.

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They actually brought them down a mountain,

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across a river which they haven't been able to explain.

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And then there is a ramp there actually,

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but then they move it up to the very top of a cliff.

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The cliff where the ancient site of Oyante Tombow was built

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is located at an elevation of over 9,000 feet in the Andes Mountains of Peru.

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Historians dated to 1440 A.D. and credit the Inca with its construction.

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But some scholars say Oyante Tombow was built upon the ruins of a far older city,

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one whose origins remain unknown.

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The gate behind me is called the Gateway of the Gods,

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and it was built several thousand years before the Inca arrived here.

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It was built by a culture we call the Oran Pacha.

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We give them that name because we have no idea who they were,

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where they came from, or where they went.

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It's clearly evident that the earliest parts of Oyante Tombow

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dates to at least 12,000 years old, if not older.

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But how could people living thousands of years ago

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have produced such astonishing stonework,

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with massive interlocking blocks precisely fitted together?

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Or have moved and set colossal stones of granite,

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each weighing more than 50 tons?

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What you can't explain is the moving of 50 tons stones

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up the sheer face of a cliff to create the walls of the fortress.

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That in and of itself required more than cranes, more than lifts, more than scaffolds.

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Part of the problem there is that the mainstream archaeologists are saying,

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okay, well, you've got a 60 or 80 ton block of red granite,

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all you have to do is just get enough people,

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and they suppose you didn't have a wheel or anything,

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but they propose that they're all wearing harnesses,

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and you get, say, 200 people, and they're all, you know, to drag this block.

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What's wrong with that?

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Well, there's nothing really wrong with it at first,

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because you can mathematically say, okay, this block weighs 60 tons,

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so this is how many people we need to drag it.

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But they're taking it up onto a narrow cliff, okay?

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There's no place for those 200 people to stand.

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So how do they have to bring it around quarters?

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So how do mainstream archaeologists explain it?

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They don't.

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They can't.

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No, no, no, no, no.

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Because they're archaeologists, they're not engineers.

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But when you bring in an engineer and you say, okay, now how are you going to do this?

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And they don't have an answer.

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They say, I don't know.

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They're brainwaves.

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I have been an engineer.

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But they're the real experts.

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I would love to have an engineer here.

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I've been an engineer.

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I have three different engineers.

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You've been in that area.

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Here, we've got one right here.

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Well, I have three different engineering engineers.

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You're just the man I want to talk to.

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But are you prejudiced?

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Toward what?

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Toward ancient aliens.

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No.

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In fact, I was skeptical of a lot of the ideas that's being thrown out.

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But I always thought that there was something more to the story.

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I want to know, could we do this?

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We have places where there are laser cut rocks that we don't even have the tools that can do this today.

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You take a master tool maker.

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My father is one.

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He's looked at some of these things and said, I can see the tool marks.

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Somebody used a tool machine to cut this thing.

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But that was 10,000 years ago.

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Before the wheel.

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So what we're saying is there was civilization prior to what we think was civilization.

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In the early 1990s, Dr. Robert Schock proposed that according to his research,

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the Sphinx on the Great Giza Plateau is at least 12,000 years old

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because it shows geological features that indicate water marks of a long ago flood.

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It was assumed that the erosion on the Sphinx was caused by wind.

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As a geologist, Schock spent three seconds looking at it and saying, that's not wind, that's water.

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The only time there was water like this in Egypt was at the end of the younger dryest, 10,000 BC.

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And so what happened was that he was ripped apart by the archeological community

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because nothing before 10,000 BC could exist on Earth

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because that is what mainstream archeology suggests.

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And they said, well, can you show us anywhere else?

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But hunter-gatherers were around 10,000.

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But an archeologic, like a structure, a monumental structure.

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But in 1993, Gobekli Tepe was suddenly discovered

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and mainstream archeologies agree that this is a minimum of 12,000 years old.

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Which is the same age as the Sphinx.

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Yes.

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The ancient stone complex unearthed in southeastern Turkey, known as Gobekli Tepe,

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contains the world's oldest known megalithic structures.

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With monolous wane up to 10 tons and sophisticated carvings,

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experts say that only an advanced civilization could have built it.

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But according to mainstream historians,

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the world's first true civilization, the Sumerians,

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did not arise until thousands of years after Gobekli Tepe was built.

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One thing that I've been working on very intensely

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over the last 30 plus years is the concept that globally,

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civilization goes well back before 5,000 years ago.

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This started when I started pushing back the age of the Sphinx

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based on the erosional features and the geological features

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that were incompatible with the air conditions at the present day.

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Then we had Gobekli Tepe.

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And that site goes back well over 11,000, 12,000 years ago.

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Gobekli Tepe became one of the most important archaeological sites in the world.

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These limestone pillars are up to 18 feet high.

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They're beautifully dressed and smoothed.

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We've never seen work like that from that period before.

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And the geomagnetic analyses that have been done of what's under the surface

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seem to indicate that there are at least 20 major circular structures in this mound.

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And so far they've dug up to half of them.

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But there's still an awful lot of work to go.

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These early sites go back to the end of the last Ice Age.

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We now know, based on a lot of geological data,

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that there were incredible climatic changes at the end of the last Ice Age.

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There were well-developed cultures, I believe, probably around the world at this early period.

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Okay, but when you talk about something like ancient healing,

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and we discover that Lister discovers bacteria, cleanliness,

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why didn't they know that 4,000 years ago?

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A key tenet of ancient astronaut theory is that we have lost knowledge.

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We are a civilization with amnesia. We don't know our past.

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Somebody explained to me, and I know a little, but not enough,

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about practical knowledge in ancient times that is unexplained.

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A key tenet of ancient astronaut theory is that we have lost knowledge.

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We are a civilization with amnesia. We don't know our past.

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That's true.

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What traditions say all over the world is there have been civilizations before us,

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they have risen and fallen.

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Don't forget that the planet is four and a half billion years old.

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Don't forget that.

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This solar system has been here for four and a half billion years.

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And humanity, as far as we know, has only been here for a few thousand,

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maybe tens of thousands of years.

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So what happened before that?

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And we know from the fossil records that there were many mass extinctions.

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So who's to say civilizations don't rise and fall over the last few years?

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Archaeologists know what those mass extinctions were

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and what was alive at that time, and what almost petered out.

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I mean, it's there in the earth.

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There were civilizations there that came and went.

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Part of it is how we look at the past.

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Modern archaeologists are just assuming, it's an assumption,

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well, they're from the Stone Age.

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They don't have electricity. They don't have machines.

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They don't have heavy equipment.

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They don't have power plants and things like that.

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But that may be completely wrong.

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The evidence is there that in ancient times they had electricity.

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They had batteries.

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So look at the back, they had batteries.

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Yeah, they had batteries.

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In 1938, the director of the National Museum of Iraq

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discovered in the archives terracotta pots and copper cylinders

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that may have been used as galvanic cells.

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The nearly 2,000-year-old devices, called Baghdad batteries,

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are believed to predate the invention of the cell battery by more than 1,000 years.

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Usually a Baghdad battery would consist of a clay pot,

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and it would have an iron rod surrounded by an asphalt stopper.

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And you pour any type of a weak acidic liquid in there,

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wine, grape juice, vinegar,

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and with a voltmeter you can consistently get about 4 volts

500
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000
with something about that large.

501
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:18,000
Now, all over Egypt, we see large vials,

502
00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:21,000
which could be a representation of a much larger Baghdad battery,

503
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:24,000
being able to generate a much larger current.

504
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Mainstream scientists agree that the Baghdad battery

505
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:33,000
is evidence that ancient people had the means to create power

506
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,000
and the understanding of how to apply it.

507
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:41,000
Might our ancestors have possessed other advanced technology?

508
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:48,000
So, today there is a carving in Egypt at the Dendera Temple,

509
00:30:48,000 --> 00:30:50,000
and it's an underground crypt,

510
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:54,000
and it's this depiction of what looks like...

511
00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,000
Archaeologists refer to it as a snake and a lotus flower.

512
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,000
But what's so interesting is the hieroglyphics that have been translated

513
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:07,000
not only say that what is depicted here is dangerous,

514
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:10,000
but also it is the bringer of light.

515
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,000
So the hieroglyphics warn you, but also say it's the bringer of light.

516
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,000
So that wants you to both stay away and come.

517
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:23,000
Well, and the hieroglyphics show a detailed drawing of the equipment.

518
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,000
The reliefs that have become known as the Dendera bulbs

519
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:31,000
are carved into the walls of a 4,000-year-old temple

520
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,000
dedicated to the Egyptian sky goddess Hathor.

521
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,000
Within the temple, Hathor is depicted sailing in a ship of eternity

522
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,000
along the Milky Way.

523
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:47,000
Ancient astronaut Theorists suggest that this is, in fact,

524
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:52,000
a representation of an extraterrestrial arriving in a flying craft.

525
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:57,000
And the Dendera bulbs are a technology they gave to the Egyptians.

526
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:06,000
The reason why we have proposed that in Dendera we have depictions of light bulbs

527
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:10,000
is because you have that cable coming out of that lotus flower

528
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:15,000
or the bulb's socket that goes underneath it to a box.

529
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:22,000
And the actual bulb rests on what's called a jet pillar.

530
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:28,000
And a jet pillar is always referred to as something to do with significant power.

531
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:34,000
And so the suggestion is that the extraterrestrials provided lighting sources.

532
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:39,000
And then that was also put in stone.

533
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:45,000
There is a theory that sound could levitate something,

534
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:50,000
and that may be the answer to these giant megaliths that seem to be too heavy

535
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,000
for even us to lift.

536
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,000
Let's address that.

537
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Well, there are so many of the ancient astronaut legends where

538
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:59,000
there are ancient blocks for levitate it in.

539
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:06,000
One of the most well-known ancient stories of levitation can be found on Chile's Easter Island.

540
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:11,000
We're standing along the shoreline are nearly 900 megalithic stone statues

541
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:15,000
called Moai that weigh up to 90 tons each.

542
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,000
According to the oral traditions of the native Rapa Nui people,

543
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:27,000
a type of energy known as mana was used to levitate the giant sculptures into place.

544
00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:35,000
Curiously, similar stories can be found in association with other ancient megalithic sites all over the world.

545
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:41,000
Like Stonehenge in England, the Great Pyramid in Egypt,

546
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:44,000
the Ushma Pyramid in Mexico,

547
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,000
Non-Madal in Micronesia,

548
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,000
and Pumapunko in Bolivia.

549
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:58,000
It would be one thing to me if this levitation of stones across an island

550
00:33:58,000 --> 00:34:01,000
would be the only story or legend worldwide.

551
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:13,000
But the fact of the matter is that we have multiple stories that these stones somehow were levitated or flown through the air.

552
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:22,000
Is it possible that acoustic technology could levitate stones weighing tens and even hundreds of tons?

553
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,000
My father said when they were testing, shake testing the Saturn V,

554
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:30,000
the first stage that they used,

555
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:35,000
the thing that the German scientists created using wind tunnels and made a big flute horn.

556
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:40,000
They shot it with acoustic energy and they called it the Jericho device,

557
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:42,000
because it was like a big Jericho horn.

558
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:47,000
It would shake the stage and mimic the vibration of launch.

559
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,000
He said one day they tuned it to a particular frequency,

560
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:57,000
and when it did, it broke the bolts that had this first stage moored into the concrete

561
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,000
and picked the rocket first stage up.

562
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:03,000
It had to weigh tons and moved it several meters

563
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,000
and they were afraid it was going to fall over and destroy the first stage.

564
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,000
That's part of the mystique.

565
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,000
The sound is mathematical.

566
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:21,000
You can draw mathematics to sound and maybe find the formula for the kind of sound you need.

567
00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:23,000
That's so totally fascinating.

568
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,000
The idea that the stones were cut like with a machine.

569
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,000
Was it your dad that saw machine cuts on the stone?

570
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,000
Several others have seen it.

571
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:36,000
So talk to me about that because that's less dreaming.

572
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:42,000
There's a place in the high Andes on a plateau called Puma Punku.

573
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,000
It's one of the most magnificent sites on planet Earth.

574
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:53,000
And their strewn about are these big platforms made out of red sandstone.

575
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,000
And they're massive and some of them are up to 60 tons, 6-0.

576
00:35:58,000 --> 00:36:03,000
But amongst these stones are also Andesite blocks.

577
00:36:03,000 --> 00:36:05,000
There is one rectangular block.

578
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,000
It's about this high.

579
00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:12,000
And on one side there is a perfect groove that is so...

580
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:14,000
The edges are so perfect.

581
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:18,000
If you were to go down like this with your thumb, you could cut yourself.

582
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:28,000
Giorgio Suclos has been studying Puma Punku for more than two decades

583
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,000
and has made over a dozen visits to the ancient site.

584
00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:35,000
This is beautiful.

585
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:40,000
During one such visit in 2014, he documented his investigation

586
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:46,000
of the incredible stonework found among the mysterious megalithic ruins.

587
00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:49,000
This is pretty amazing.

588
00:36:49,000 --> 00:36:50,000
I checked this out.

589
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:56,000
If you look at this groove right here, you simply cannot do this with primitive tools.

590
00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:05,000
And you've got these holes drilled at an equidistant as if it's some type of a female piece to a male piece.

591
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:14,000
I mean, these look like technical components, part of a larger, almost industrial type construction.

592
00:37:15,000 --> 00:37:20,000
I've got a little paper clip, ordinary paper clip that I've just unfurled

593
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:27,000
to see how deep they go, and they actually go equidistant all the way down.

594
00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:34,000
I mean, that is something that cannot be achieved with chicken bones.

595
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,000
So is there any explanation as to how they carve anything?

596
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:44,000
So according to the local legends that go back a long, long time,

597
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,000
they say that this was built by the so-called gods.

598
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,000
Now whenever I hear stories about the gods, my ears perk up,

599
00:37:51,000 --> 00:37:56,000
nobody discusses the question or asks the question, who were these gods?

600
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:58,000
What are we talking about?

601
00:37:58,000 --> 00:38:06,000
Everything that we call in quote advanced in the ancient days from which we would ask, where did this come from?

602
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:10,000
Now, you could say it came from the angels, you could say it came from aliens.

603
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:17,000
Here's the crazy part. We could not build the pyramids today. We cannot build the pyramids today.

604
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:18,000
Why not?

605
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:32,000
What we're talking about here at this table is physical evidence that ancient aliens came here, are here, were here.

606
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:37,000
Talk to me about the first one that comes to mind, of course, is the pyramid.

607
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:41,000
Remember where Moses brought the children of Israel out from? Egypt.

608
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,000
Egypt.

609
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:50,000
The Torah and the Jewish tradition, which is the foundation of Western tradition, originally came out of Egypt.

610
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:51,000
Right.

611
00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:54,000
In the tradition that later became the Bible.

612
00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:57,000
Ideas, beliefs like the Ark of the Covenant.

613
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:03,000
We, these things were clearly based upon knowledge that was brought out of Egypt.

614
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:10,000
Eric Mondonikin said an interesting thing there too, that the Great Pyramid of Egypt is not a tomb for the pharaohs,

615
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,000
but rather a repository.

616
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:13,000
A library.

617
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,000
It's a library.

618
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:15,000
Yeah.

619
00:39:17,000 --> 00:39:25,000
Egypt's Great Pyramid is perhaps the most familiar and most mysterious megalithic structure in all the world.

620
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:31,000
It is the oldest and largest of the three pyramids that stand on the Giza Plateau.

621
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:38,000
But exactly how and why the Great Pyramid was constructed remains a mystery.

622
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:46,000
The Great Pyramid of Giza isn't just one of the seven ancient wonders of the world.

623
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,000
It's the most ancient of them all.

624
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:52,000
And it's the only one still standing.

625
00:39:52,000 --> 00:39:57,000
And it's what's inside the Great Pyramid of Giza that is absolutely mind boggling.

626
00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:05,000
You look at a beautiful, perfect tunnel with perfectly smooth walls.

627
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,000
An evolved ceiling that rises all the way up.

628
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:19,000
And there are shafts, tunnels, and the architecture and the way it was built is a mystery till today.

629
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:31,000
The Great Pyramid consists of nearly two and a half million limestone and granite blocks, many of which were quarried from 500 miles away.

630
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:41,000
It stands 480 feet high, covers 13 acres, and has an estimated mass of 6 million tons.

631
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:55,000
According to most Egyptologists, this miracle of engineering was constructed during a 20-year period by order of the Faro Kufu, sometime around 2500 BC.

632
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:06,000
But many experts dispute this notion, and ancient astronaut Thea suggests the origins of the Great Pyramid are far more profound.

633
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:14,000
This applies to this discussion right now, you know, to move these blocks in the sand.

634
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:20,000
Because anybody who's ever played in the sandbox or anybody who's been to the beach, it's very difficult to do.

635
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:33,000
And if you have a 75-ton block, or 60, and they all vary, there are inside the Grand Gallery, there are some 75-ton blocks in there.

636
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,000
But they floated them on barges, and then they picked them up and they took them up on top of the tunnel.

637
00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:42,000
Okay, so I can get beyond.

638
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:47,000
Hold on, I need you to explain to me the timeline. What's the pyramid supposed to be?

639
00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:50,000
4,500 years old.

640
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,000
So the Sphinx predated the pyramid?

641
00:41:53,000 --> 00:42:00,000
Yes, and so today, according to some archaeologists, it is a minimum of 12,000 years old.

642
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,000
Which is the same age as the Sphinx?

643
00:42:02,000 --> 00:42:03,000
Yes.

644
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:09,000
The dating of the Great Pyramid has been the subject of much controversy.

645
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:20,000
And over the years, many experts have suggested that it was built far earlier than the reign of the Faro Kufu, who ruled around 2,500 BC.

646
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:31,000
In 1837, a British colonel who became an archaeologist named Richard Howard Weiss used dynamite.

647
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:43,000
To get up into the King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid, and this was something that had not been entered by other archaeologists before,

648
00:42:43,000 --> 00:42:55,000
when he got into these upper chambers, he then apparently claimed that he found some hieroglyphic cartouches that mentioned the Faro Kufu.

649
00:42:55,000 --> 00:43:05,000
The cartouch, or signature, of Kufu in the King's Chamber, is what Colonel Weiss used to date the Great Pyramid to 2,500 BC.

650
00:43:07,000 --> 00:43:14,000
But he was under tremendous pressure to make a major discovery due to the enormous cost of his expedition.

651
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:20,000
And some researchers have suggested that he may have actually fabricated this evidence.

652
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:33,000
Recently, it has been discovered by going through Weiss's journals that he and his journals actually says that there were no hieroglyphs within this chamber.

653
00:43:33,000 --> 00:43:41,000
And so it is suspected that Weiss did, in fact, forge this cartouch of the Faro Kufu.

654
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:52,000
Is it possible that the Great Pyramid of Giza was constructed long before the reign of Kufu and with the help of extraterrestrials?

655
00:43:53,000 --> 00:44:02,000
Ancient astronaut theorists say yes, and as further evidence point to a very curious detail regarding the placement of the pyramid.

656
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:15,000
Here's something else, Bill. The central peak of the pyramid, its location on the planet, coincides with a location that is the same number out to about ten digits at least.

657
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,000
What do you mean the same number?

658
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,000
The speed of light.

659
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:21,000
So the speed of light is like 2.9, 8, 7, 9.

660
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:24,000
Okay, so if you project a photon out of the tip of the...

661
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:29,000
No, no, no, no, no, no. If you look at the position on Earth that it is, its location on the map.

662
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:31,000
Geographic, yeah, more like geographic.

663
00:44:31,000 --> 00:44:32,000
Geographical.

664
00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:33,000
And then the...

665
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:39,000
The number that describes its position in inclination is the same number as the speed of light.

666
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:54,000
The latitudinal coordinate for the Great Pyramid is 29.9792458 degrees north, a number that exactly matches the speed of light when measured in meters per second.

667
00:44:54,000 --> 00:45:01,000
Now that's interesting because the Great Pyramid is known as a mountain of light.

668
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:06,000
So here we have the value of the speed of light encoded into the Great Pyramid.

669
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:23,000
Another thing we find as well is that the location of the Great Pyramid is really unique because at that specific location, if you pass a great circle from the Great Pyramid through its cardinal and its ordinal directions,

670
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:32,000
what you find is that these circles will pass through more landmass of the Earth than any other location on Earth.

671
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:38,000
You find that the Great Pyramid is essentially located at the center of the world's landmass.

672
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:50,000
This is amazing stuff. When you consider the vast amount of information about the Earth encoded into the Great Pyramid, you cannot consider it all to be coincidence.

673
00:45:51,000 --> 00:46:01,000
Is it possible, as ancient astronaut Theorists suggest, that the information encoded in the Great Pyramid of Giza is a signature of its alien architects?

674
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:11,000
Sophisticated mathematical and scientific concepts are being embedded or were embedded into the Pyramids.

675
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:20,000
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there are still hidden chambers that many believe are still to be discovered in the Pyramids that might give us the answers.

676
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:24,000
The King's Chamber of the Great Pyramid is about the size of this room right here.

677
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,000
And there are a room for 47 more of these rooms inside the Pyramid.

678
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:33,000
And just three years ago, we discovered that when you go into the Pyramid, and I've been in there 40 times.

679
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:34,000
Have you?

680
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:35,000
Yes.

681
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:44,000
We're going to send the Grand Gallery, and now we know that riding upon the Grand Gallery is another chamber that we knew nothing about until a few years ago.

682
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,000
Did we open it?

683
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,000
We haven't opened it yet.

684
00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:48,000
Why not?

685
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,000
Well, we've talked to the Egyptian authorities.

686
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:54,000
You're giving me facts, but you haven't convinced me yet.

687
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:03,000
To me, it's improbable that a spaceship, given unimaginable distances, can traverse those distances.

688
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:06,000
Does anybody have an answer to that here?

689
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:18,000
In a universe nearly 14 billion years old, civilizations might be out there with millions of years head start on us.

690
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:23,000
Just because we can't do it doesn't mean somebody else can.

691
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:36,000
I've actually had conversations with Mitsukaku several times about the idea of what we would have to do in modern day to build a warp drive to travel between the stars.

692
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:47,000
The ancient astronaut theory suggests that aliens from another world, and most likely, another star system, came to Earth in the distant past.

693
00:47:48,000 --> 00:47:57,000
Mainstream scientists, however, argue that the distances between stars are simply too vast for this to be possible.

694
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:11,000
But Dr. Mitsukaku, one of the world's leading theoretical physicists, has proposed that there are likely to be other intelligent beings in the universe, or even more advanced than humans.

695
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:18,000
And that they could, in fact, possess the technology to travel between stars.

696
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:23,000
Mitsukaku is waiting to talk to us on the television.

697
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:31,000
Mitsukaku, it's Bill Shatner and I'm pleased to see you again. Last time we met we were talking string theory.

698
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:32,000
That's right.

699
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:39,000
Mitsukaku, what's your opinion of the ancient alien philosophy theory, if you will? What do you think about it?

700
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:48,000
Well, I think we have to keep our minds open, because first of all, we've discovered 4,000 planets in our sector of the Milky Way galaxy.

701
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:56,000
We now realize that there could be literally billions of Earth-like planets, some of them twins of the Earth and outer space.

702
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:01,000
And to believe that we're the only game in town, I think, is rather presumptuous.

703
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:11,000
Since the universe is 13.8 billion years old, there's plenty of time for civilization to rise and fall.

704
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:22,000
We're discussing here time travel, warp drive, all those things. And most people think that's theoretically possible, but practically impossible.

705
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,000
What have you got to say about that?

706
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:33,000
Well, you know, the skeptics make a big mistake thinking that aliens can never visit the Earth because distances are too large.

707
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:43,000
That assumes that the aliens are maybe only 100 years more advanced than us, but they could be a million years more advanced than us.

708
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:54,000
In which case, they might, just might, have the capability of rocketing across space-time faster than the speed of light.

709
00:49:54,000 --> 00:50:03,000
This is not out of the question at all. There are two ways in which you can use Einstein's equations to break the light barrier.

710
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,000
The first is wormholes.

711
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:16,000
The concept of traveling through a wormhole, or stargate, as it is sometimes called, has become a popular device in science fiction.

712
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:24,000
But the theory was actually proposed by the most famous astrophysicist who ever lived, Albert Einstein.

713
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:39,000
In 1935, Einstein and fellow physicist Nathan Rosen theorized that two separate points in space could be connected through an Einstein-Rosen bridge, or what we now call a wormhole.

714
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:45,000
This would make travel to the most remote stars in the universe a real possibility.

715
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:55,000
What you're talking about is a structure in space that involves very, very strong bending of space and the connecting of two different parts of space.

716
00:50:55,000 --> 00:51:04,000
So if you think of a piece of paper curved around and then punched out and connected from one place to the other, that's your basic wormhole.

717
00:51:04,000 --> 00:51:11,000
Alice's looking glass would be the wormhole, that is punching a hole in space and time.

718
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:19,000
The second possibility is what's explored in Star Trek, and that is compressing space or the Alcubierre Drive.

719
00:51:19,000 --> 00:51:31,000
You know, Alcubierre once told me that he was watching an episode of Star Trek and said, well, if they do it on Star Trek, why can't I as a physicist do it with Einstein's equations?

720
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:32,000
I love it.

721
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:44,000
In the Star Trek television series, the Starship Enterprise is equipped with a warp drive, which enables it to rocket through space faster than the speed of light.

722
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:59,000
While some scientists have suggested that faster than light travel is an impossibility, in 1994, Mexican theoretical physicist Miguel Alcubierre proposed a warp drive that would do just that.

723
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:15,000
Miguel Alcubierre developed an equation of warp drive in which he developed mathematics that said, look, with enough energy, you could actually warp space and time around your craft to create a kind of space-time bubble,

724
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:22,000
and in a sense shrink space in front of you and extend that space behind you.

725
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:26,000
So you're not exceeding the speed of light within that bubble.

726
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:32,000
You're obeying all of the laws of physics there, but you're warping space and time.

727
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:43,000
You compress the space in front of you, expand the space behind you, and whoop, you break the light barrier.

728
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:49,000
There's always a catch there. You need fantastic amounts of energy in order to do this.

729
00:52:49,000 --> 00:52:58,000
Now, of course, on Star Trek, we have the dilithium crystals, so your spaceship may go zapping through at warp speed.

730
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:08,000
Let's say you're at visiting Earth and you want to leave the most important piece of scientific information for these rudimentary humans to discover.

731
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,000
What would you think that could be?

732
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Well, I think they would probably leave a piece of their DNA because mechanical things can rust, fall apart, but DNA self-replicates.

733
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:31,000
It constantly mutates to survive, and the one thing that will survive over millions of years after the aliens have left, for example, would be DNA,

734
00:53:31,000 --> 00:53:44,000
because it's self-replicating, mutating, adaptive, while steel will rust, computers fall apart, and machines break down, but DNA simply keeps on going forever.

735
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:52,000
They could conceivably also program that DNA or implant scientific knowledge into it that could be rolled out over millennia, perhaps.

736
00:53:52,000 --> 00:54:05,000
In fact, yeah, in fact, scientists have actually looked for messages in the DNA so far they find none, but it's conceivable that one day if we do find a message in DNA, that would be an existential shock.

737
00:54:05,000 --> 00:54:21,000
An existential shock, realizing that somebody is communicating with us after millions of years, long since machines have turned to dust, that these self-replicating molecules are mutating and surviving.

738
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:27,000
And are leaving a message. We haven't found it yet, but we cannot rule it out.

739
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:37,000
Thank you so much for that beautiful way of expressing your thoughts. It was a delight to have talked to you. A pleasure, and I hope we do it again soon.

740
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,000
My pleasure and a great honor to be with you.

741
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:44,000
Thank you. Take care. Well, what a gift.

742
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:50,000
But with his last answer, the circle has closed because he mentioned DNA.

743
00:54:52,000 --> 00:55:07,000
What Dr. Michio Kaku said was so important because almost the single biggest objection from the skeptics to the whole, whether it's the UFO phenomenon, the ancient astronaut theory, is you can't get here from there.

744
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:10,000
And there was Dr. Michio Kaku saying, oh yes, you can.

745
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:13,000
If you had a certain level of technology, you could also be able to...

746
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,000
We are unlikely to be first.

747
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:25,000
The salient question, of course, even that is our imperative is to stay alive, have our civilization stay with us long enough to be able to invent that kind of thing.

748
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:33,000
You wouldn't build big massive starships to travel around and populate the universe at first. That would take too much time, energy, and resources.

749
00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:41,000
What you would do is create a teeny tiny little probe, and our DNA replicates itself over and over and over.

750
00:55:41,000 --> 00:55:48,000
And you can send it as a particle across the universe when it lands there billion years later.

751
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:53,000
It might stimulate the growth of life and DNA propagating in other species.

752
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:56,000
That's the term panspermia.

753
00:55:56,000 --> 00:56:04,000
Panspermia is a hypothesis that suggests alien organisms have reached our planet traveling on meteorites.

754
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Some proponents believe that panspermia was responsible for seeding all life on Earth, while others propose that it may have introduced just one highly unique species, humans.

755
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:23,000
In the concept of panspermia, there's two ways to look at this.

756
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:28,000
One is panspermia that happens just like that.

757
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:32,000
And then there's another version that is called direct panspermia.

758
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:42,000
And direct panspermia would suggest that it was done deliberately by a far away extraterrestrial advanced civilization.

759
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:50,000
And why wouldn't a rock which has the cells of life that land on Earth, why don't we think that's sending it seed?

760
00:56:50,000 --> 00:56:52,000
Francis Crick himself said life is a miracle.

761
00:56:52,000 --> 00:57:00,000
And the most practical way to explain how life arose on Earth is that some advanced civilizations sent out rockets packed with DNA.

762
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:13,000
Francis Crick was a British geneticist who in 1953, along with American biologist James Watson, discovered the three-dimensional double helix shape of DNA.

763
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:21,000
This scientific breakthrough was a giant leap forward in unraveling the mystery of humankind's origins.

764
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:34,000
But Francis Crick found our genetic code to be so complex that he proposed it could not have developed by mere evolutionary chance, and most likely did not originate on Earth.

765
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:52,000
The information content of life, the level of DNA is so incredibly vast, super astronomical, that one could entertain a possibility that there was been an artificial creation of this.

766
00:57:52,000 --> 00:58:07,000
So what Francis Crick suggested is that perhaps there was a super intelligent life form somewhere nearby to Earth that essentially designed the life that exists on the Earth.

767
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:12,000
The origin of life is extremely improbable, is something that I would agree with.

768
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:21,000
I'm skeptical on that. I sit at this table obviously as somebody who investigated UFOs for the British government.

769
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:33,000
I bow to the greater expertise of my colleagues on the ancient astronaut theory of course. That's not my specialist area, but I am a little skeptical of some of this while aliens tinkered with us.

770
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:40,000
I think that normal random mutation and natural selection could explain all of this.

771
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:49,000
Fred Hoyle, astronomer, scientist, commenting on this genetic alteration of chromosome 2 said,

772
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:57,000
that most of this happening are like a tornado sweeping through a junkyard of 747 parts and manifesting a fully functional 747.

773
00:58:57,000 --> 00:59:06,000
A lot of stuff happens by coincidence, but there are certain things where you have to say coincidence doesn't quite apply.

774
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:14,000
Some people say, oh well, that was God, and some people say, well no, maybe it wasn't God, but it was an extraterrestrial.

775
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:18,000
Or it happened so many times, it was bound to happen in that way.

776
00:59:18,000 --> 00:59:26,000
You have to think, well could this have been a random cosmic ray bounced and caused this thing? What are the odds of that actually happening?

777
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:40,000
Now that did happen in probably billions of instances, but certain things like lining up the human chromosome chain and getting that right and causing that to happen is beyond statistical probability within the life of the universe.

778
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:41,000
You don't know that.

779
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:42,000
Yes you do.

780
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,000
Yes you do.

781
00:59:43,000 --> 00:59:44,000
You can mathematically...

782
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:53,000
Because the numbers involved in the universe, the numbers of what could happen, our mind can't encompass it.

783
00:59:53,000 --> 01:00:02,000
Well in order for the human genome to be created, this thing has to happen, and then this thing, and then this thing, and then this thing, and then this thing.

784
01:00:02,000 --> 01:00:03,000
It's not these things in parallel.

785
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:06,000
And so the probabilities multiply times each other.

786
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:12,000
And when you get to the point where all of these things had to happen in sequence to get to the end point,

787
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:20,000
you can actually do the statistical math for this and show that you could not create that randomly within the age of the universe.

788
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:26,000
Well look, I was the one who disagreed on the point about tinkering with evolution.

789
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,000
I want you to hold forth Nick.

790
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Yeah, I think that it can all be explained with random mutation and natural selection.

791
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:38,000
But the point is, we don't necessarily agree all around this table.

792
01:00:38,000 --> 01:00:40,000
You've got a diverse group here.

793
01:00:40,000 --> 01:00:45,000
I think it would be very unproductive if we all just nodded along and agreed.

794
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:48,000
We have different backgrounds, different areas of specialism.

795
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,000
But that's where we get to the good stuff.

796
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:51,000
Yes.

797
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:52,000
Where we do disagree.

798
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:53,000
I absolutely agree.

799
01:00:53,000 --> 01:00:54,000
And I want you to disagree.

800
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,000
I can't tell you how I love this.

801
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:59,000
We've covered ancient aliens, but what about today?

802
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:02,000
Does anybody know anything about them today?

803
01:01:04,000 --> 01:01:10,000
I'd love to hear from you guys about UFOs and Roswell.

804
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:12,000
You keep hearing it was a weather balloon.

805
01:01:12,000 --> 01:01:13,000
It wasn't.

806
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:18,000
Before ancient aliens, I never paid any attention really to the modern day UFO phenomenon.

807
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:24,000
But over the past few years, because of ancient aliens and some of the people sitting at this table,

808
01:01:24,000 --> 01:01:28,000
I've gotten very much interested in the modern day UFO phenomenon.

809
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:33,000
And one person from whom I've learned a lot is Linda Moulton-Howe,

810
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:35,000
who is one of the experts in modern day UFO.

811
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,000
She's the journalist, the award-winning journalist filmmaker.

812
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:45,000
Investigative journalist Linda Moulton-Howe has been documenting strange phenomena,

813
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:50,000
UFO sightings, and alien encounters for more than four decades.

814
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:56,000
She has received numerous awards for her journalistic excellence in a wide range of fields.

815
01:01:56,000 --> 01:02:01,000
And today is reporter and editor of the website EarthFiles.com,

816
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:07,000
which contains an archive of nearly 3,000 in-depth UFO reports.

817
01:02:08,000 --> 01:02:10,000
We've got her ready on a call.

818
01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:12,000
Hey, Linda.

819
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:13,000
Hi, Linda.

820
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:14,000
Hi, Linda.

821
01:02:14,000 --> 01:02:16,000
I'm William Shatner, Bill Shatner.

822
01:02:16,000 --> 01:02:18,000
It's a pleasure to meet you.

823
01:02:18,000 --> 01:02:20,000
I've heard so much about you.

824
01:02:20,000 --> 01:02:23,000
Everybody around here has come up to tell me how wonderful you are.

825
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:25,000
That's true.

826
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:30,000
Well, I feel like I know you as a longtime Star Trek fan.

827
01:02:30,000 --> 01:02:31,000
Oh, I appreciate that.

828
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,000
Wonderful to be here with you.

829
01:02:33,000 --> 01:02:34,000
Thank you.

830
01:02:34,000 --> 01:02:37,000
And I'm consumed by the subject matter.

831
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:43,000
And we've arrived at spaceships and ancient aliens.

832
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:45,000
Where are they now?

833
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:49,000
I think a lot of them are hiding right here on this planet

834
01:02:49,000 --> 01:02:51,000
and have been here for millions of years.

835
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:54,000
I think this is a revolutionary time,

836
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:56,000
no matter whatever else happens.

837
01:02:56,000 --> 01:02:59,000
We have to learn we're not alone in the universe.

838
01:02:59,000 --> 01:03:02,000
Are we seeing space vehicles then?

839
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:05,000
Was Roswell an example of that?

840
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,000
I'll tell you from firsthand knowledge

841
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:15,000
that there was the retrieval of a craft in July of 1947

842
01:03:15,000 --> 01:03:20,000
when that big headline, a real honest headline,

843
01:03:20,000 --> 01:03:25,000
came out that the Roswell Army Airfield was reporting the downing

844
01:03:25,000 --> 01:03:27,000
of a flying disc.

845
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:33,000
The Roswell incident has become the most famous UFO event on record,

846
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:37,000
the crash landing of an unidentified object in the New Mexico desert

847
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,000
in July 1947.

848
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:46,000
And it was the United States Army that reported the craft as a flying disc.

849
01:03:47,000 --> 01:03:52,000
On July 8th of that year, the Roswell Daily Record had an incredible headline,

850
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:57,000
which was that the United States Army had captured one of these flying discs

851
01:03:57,000 --> 01:03:59,000
that everyone had been talking about.

852
01:03:59,000 --> 01:04:04,000
It was absolutely a big, big news story at the time.

853
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:08,000
Within days, the military walked back its story,

854
01:04:08,000 --> 01:04:13,000
suddenly claiming that the crashed object was nothing more than a weather balloon.

855
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:21,000
But curiously, they said that the balloon was taken to Wright Patterson Air Force Base in Ohio.

856
01:04:21,000 --> 01:04:27,000
When you really think about this, why on earth would anyone send any kind of weather balloon

857
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:33,000
or the alleged mogul balloon that the Air Force came up with many years later?

858
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:38,000
And you're going to send this off to Wright Field for technical analysis?

859
01:04:38,000 --> 01:04:40,000
None of that makes any sense whatsoever.

860
01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:47,000
Unless that material was much more exotic and much more scientifically interesting than just a mere balloon.

861
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:55,000
In April 2011, the FBI released thousands of files as part of its online FBI vault.

862
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:01,000
And one of those files included a 1950 briefing to FBI Director Jay Edgar Hoover

863
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:08,000
regarding informant information about three flying saucers that were recovered in New Mexico.

864
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:16,000
Many researchers believe this corroborates long-standing rumors that the Roswell incident involved not one,

865
01:05:16,000 --> 01:05:21,000
but three crashed UFOs.

866
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:28,000
Have there been more things that are noted in the news, sightings, saucers and things?

867
01:05:28,000 --> 01:05:35,000
The one that most people are not aware of today, the date was February 25, 1942.

868
01:05:35,000 --> 01:05:39,000
And it's called the Battle of Los Angeles.

869
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:44,000
It made LA Times an a big front page story.

870
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:56,000
Five years before the now famous Roswell incident, an extraordinary UFO event was witnessed in the sky over Los Angeles.

871
01:05:56,000 --> 01:06:04,000
What's called the Battle of LA is actually one of the earliest unexplained UFO mysteries in a modern era.

872
01:06:04,000 --> 01:06:11,000
It took place on the early morning of February 25, 1942.

873
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:19,000
1,430 artillery shells were fired at several unknown objects.

874
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:23,000
Many eyewitnesses on the ground saw this.

875
01:06:23,000 --> 01:06:26,000
So the question is, what were these things?

876
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:33,000
In terms of covering it up, the military consistently downplayed this.

877
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:42,000
Secretary of the Navy said to the public, it was just war nerves, there was nothing out there whatsoever.

878
01:06:42,000 --> 01:06:49,000
In the 1970s, an FLI request obtained a memorandum by Army Chief of Staff General George Marshall,

879
01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:54,000
in which he wrote a memo about this incident to President Franklin Roosevelt.

880
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:59,000
So it's clear that the military was interested in it.

881
01:06:59,000 --> 01:07:06,000
The secret memo that General Marshall sent to President Roosevelt directly contradicted the Navy's public statement

882
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:18,000
that there was nothing in the sky over Los Angeles that night, claiming instead that as many as 15 unidentified airplanes may have been involved.

883
01:07:18,000 --> 01:07:28,000
We've had a policy of denial since World War II, thinking that humans could not handle whatever it is that is the perceived bottom line truth.

884
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:34,000
But assuming all that is true, does American technology have those super ships?

885
01:07:34,000 --> 01:07:40,000
Do we know anything more? Did anything result as a result of that advanced technology?

886
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:57,000
Well, I think that there is a huge, if you want to call it underground, or a black world of all kinds of back engineering and laboratory and all things related to

887
01:07:57,000 --> 01:08:03,000
whether they were crash disks or technology deliberately placed in our hands.

888
01:08:03,000 --> 01:08:12,000
Given the way the government sends out whistleblowers, all kinds of hidden information, we're getting it all the time.

889
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:21,000
This mind-blowing idea that you've just espoused, it seems it would be impossible to hide for any length of time.

890
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:30,000
We honestly do not fully understand agendas, and the biggest problem we have is how do we trust?

891
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:36,000
It's our own governments and power brokers that keep the human family in the dark.

892
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,000
Fascinating.

893
01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:42,000
Linda, thank you so much for that interesting information.

894
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:47,000
We'll have an occasion to discuss it here, and it was very informative.

895
01:08:47,000 --> 01:08:50,000
And I thank you so much for spending your time with us.

896
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:51,000
Thank you, Linda.

897
01:08:51,000 --> 01:08:52,000
Thank you.

898
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,000
Bye, Linda.

899
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:54,000
Bye, Linda.

900
01:08:54,000 --> 01:08:55,000
Take care.

901
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:10,000
When you get into the UFO phenomenon, it doesn't take long as you scratch the surface that a conspiracy is there, because at the very least, if there are UFOs, there is a conspiracy to cover it up.

902
01:09:10,000 --> 01:09:11,000
But it's not an information.

903
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:12,000
Why?

904
01:09:12,000 --> 01:09:13,000
Why?

905
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:26,000
This is where I part company from some of the people more deeply into the conspiracy theories, because my view, and I've actually done this for the British government, my view is that government doesn't necessarily have all the answers to this.

906
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,000
That's exactly right.

907
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:28,000
I agree with 100%.

908
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,000
And Nick and I have talked about this.

909
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:31,000
This is what your conspiracy is.

910
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,000
Your conspiracy is time.

911
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:45,000
If something happened in 1947 in Roswell, three or four guys, because that's all there was budget for, to go investigate whatever this was went out there.

912
01:09:45,000 --> 01:09:49,000
They took stuff, packed it up in carts, and they may have taken it and had some scientists look at it.

913
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,000
They may not.

914
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:53,000
They may not have had budget to hire a scientist to look at it.

915
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:54,000
Scientists are expensive.

916
01:09:54,000 --> 01:10:00,000
Then when they were done with it, they shoved it in a safe or a drawer or a vault somewhere, and they retired.

917
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,000
And when they retired, the next guy comes into the building and he says, hey, I need room in the vault.

918
01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:07,000
What's this stuff over here?

919
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:09,000
And nobody owned up to who's it.

920
01:10:09,000 --> 01:10:13,000
This is 100% happened because it happened to the Saturn V blueprints.

921
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:16,000
We find the Saturn V blueprints in Barnes in North Alabama all the time.

922
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:22,000
So what you ascribe as a plot is stupidity and ignorance and lethargy.

923
01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:24,000
It's a lack of resources and time.

924
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:30,000
It's also the inherently secretive nature of the organizations that tend to be running these programs.

925
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,000
I will go with that.

926
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:37,000
I mean, look, the NASA supposedly erased all the master tapes of the Apollo 11 program.

927
01:10:37,000 --> 01:10:38,000
I mean, supposedly.

928
01:10:38,000 --> 01:10:39,000
Why?

929
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:40,000
They needed them.

930
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:41,000
Well, and again, they...

931
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:42,000
They needed them.

932
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:47,000
Yeah, the tapes were so in fact, they needed to reuse them, so they re-recorded over.

933
01:10:47,000 --> 01:10:49,000
Did they erase the tapes?

934
01:10:49,000 --> 01:10:52,000
They erased the tapes because they needed them on another mission

935
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,000
and these tapes didn't exist in multitudes of the time.

936
01:10:55,000 --> 01:10:56,000
It's just like the whole...

937
01:10:56,000 --> 01:10:59,000
So what's the loss in erasing the...

938
01:10:59,000 --> 01:11:02,000
All the original footage of going to the moon has been lost.

939
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:08,000
We've not ever underestimated the power and abilities of our governments to keep secrets.

940
01:11:08,000 --> 01:11:10,000
I would certainly agree with that.

941
01:11:10,000 --> 01:11:11,000
There's something in our airspace.

942
01:11:11,000 --> 01:11:17,000
There are factions within government that probably think it's Russia or it's China or it's our own tech

943
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:19,000
and then there's a faction that probably thinks,

944
01:11:19,000 --> 01:11:21,000
what if this is extraterrestrial?

945
01:11:21,000 --> 01:11:27,000
Is it possible that the reason that now we're hearing all this stuff from the government

946
01:11:27,000 --> 01:11:32,000
because, you know, we got our cell phones, I mean, everybody's under surveillance in one way or another,

947
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:37,000
is it possible that one day there's going to be a sighting that cannot be explained away?

948
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:44,000
What's interesting is that since UFO groups have come into existence in the 1970s, 1980s,

949
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:48,000
they've always been laughed at, belittled.

950
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:54,000
And the US government for decades has denied that they're investigating UFOs.

951
01:11:54,000 --> 01:12:02,000
But in December 2017, there was a New York Times headline story, front page, that said,

952
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:10,000
yes, the US government had been investigating UFOs and there was a special program for it

953
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:13,000
and this was not the first time nor is it the last time.

954
01:12:15,000 --> 01:12:22,000
On December 16th, 2017, the New York Times ran a front page story entitled,

955
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:29,000
Glowing Auras and Black Money, the Pentagon's mysterious UFO program.

956
01:12:29,000 --> 01:12:33,000
It brought to light a top secret US government project,

957
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:40,000
the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, otherwise known as ATIP.

958
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:46,000
This took the subject of UFOs out of the fringe and into the mainstream.

959
01:12:47,000 --> 01:12:52,000
For the first time, these top-level political outlets were talking about this

960
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:58,000
in a serious investigative journalist mode, not as a joke.

961
01:12:59,000 --> 01:13:05,000
So that was really what opened the floodgates and revelation followed revelation.

962
01:13:05,000 --> 01:13:08,000
This is a completely new ballgame here.

963
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:11,000
We are in new and uncharted territory.

964
01:13:12,000 --> 01:13:17,000
The article reported that in 2007, without any public debate,

965
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:24,000
$22 million was allocated from a Black Money budget to investigate UFOs.

966
01:13:26,000 --> 01:13:28,000
Wait a minute, they've been investigating.

967
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:29,000
Yes.

968
01:13:29,000 --> 01:13:35,000
They didn't say, now as a result of our investigation, we definitively say there are.

969
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:38,000
Well, that was December 2017.

970
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:45,000
On April 27th, 2020, the US government itself admitted that,

971
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:52,000
yes, we are investigating craft and we do not know where they are from.

972
01:13:52,000 --> 01:13:58,000
They did not say it is extraterrestrial, but in a press release, you have to read between the lines.

973
01:13:58,000 --> 01:13:59,000
So either...

974
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:01,000
So be careful about reading between those lines towards you.

975
01:14:01,000 --> 01:14:02,000
Man, please finish.

976
01:14:02,000 --> 01:14:03,000
Oh, I love that.

977
01:14:03,000 --> 01:14:04,000
In order, argue.

978
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:12,000
In either the US government just admitted that somebody else on this planet has better technology than the US Air Force,

979
01:14:12,000 --> 01:14:20,000
which I doubt that they would admit this, or they're pointing to the direction of a non-earthly source.

980
01:14:22,000 --> 01:14:28,000
Within months of the New York Times headline, extraordinary videos associated with ATIP,

981
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:36,000
featuring three separate UFO encounters captured by infrared cameras mounted on Navy jets, were leaked to the public.

982
01:14:36,000 --> 01:14:38,000
Oh, my gosh.

983
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,000
That's a nice 20 knots quest.

984
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:46,000
Oh, I think, dude.

985
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:50,000
But if there's a guy, I think it's working.

986
01:14:53,000 --> 01:14:55,000
Oh, my gosh, dude.

987
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:57,000
Oh, my gosh.

988
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:58,000
Let's try it.

989
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:09,000
While skeptics initially suggested the footage was not genuine, in 2020, the Navy officially released the same videos,

990
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:18,000
confirming not only that the footage is real, but also that the objects recorded were in fact an identified craft.

991
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:30,000
Well, I've analyzed those videos in detail, and I will tell you that there's no evidence in them that says that it's not our near-peer adversaries,

992
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:32,000
like Russia or China.

993
01:15:32,000 --> 01:15:41,000
However, if Russia or China invented these devices, whatever they are in these videos, then they are way ahead of us in physics and engineering.

994
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:50,000
And that's something that doesn't add up because you don't see the large multi-billion-dollar efforts to put all the right brains in one location.

995
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:54,000
There isn't the industry going on there that would make them that superior.

996
01:15:54,000 --> 01:15:56,000
So that raises your eyebrow.

997
01:15:56,000 --> 01:16:02,000
Whatever the craft is itself is extremely cold, and it looks like there's a vacuum around this vehicle.

998
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:10,000
And then the vehicle makes maneuvers that are so rapid, you would pull so many G-forces that it would kill any occupants almost instantly.

999
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:20,000
I wouldn't call that a smoking gun, but I would say that the technology is so far advanced in these videos that we can't explain how it's doing what it's doing.

1000
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:33,000
This is now, this is the meat, this is the nut that's opened up and the kernel is here, and I'm the captain.

1001
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:42,000
That information is like opening the can up.

1002
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,000
That's right, why didn't you?

1003
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:51,000
The US Navy videos the Senate Intelligence Committee, that's tangible. Three or four things else have happened which are worthy of note here.

1004
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:59,000
Firstly, the US Navy issued instructions to its own pilots telling them what to do if they encounter these things.

1005
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:00,000
Which are what?

1006
01:17:00,000 --> 01:17:03,000
That's classified. They confirmed that they've issued the shot.

1007
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:05,000
Well, it's either run or fight run.

1008
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,000
But now they could actually speak.

1009
01:17:07,000 --> 01:17:09,000
Let me finish, this is important.

1010
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:16,000
So they've confirmed that those instructions have been issued, but they have not confirmed what they will say.

1011
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:29,000
In parallel with that, the Senate Intelligence Committee just put into the Intelligence Appropriation Act for Fiscal Year 2021 this demand for a report from Director of National Intelligence.

1012
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:45,000
And in response to that, a body called the UAP Task Force, Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon, and they released a list of 38 technical studies that they did as part of this program.

1013
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:51,000
Anti-gravity, wormholes, warp drive, but here's the smoking gun.

1014
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:54,000
There was a paper on the Drake equation.

1015
01:17:54,000 --> 01:18:02,000
Now the only purpose of the Drake equation is to estimate the number of communicable civilizations in our galaxy.

1016
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:16,000
In 1961, radio astronomer Frank Drake proposed a mathematical argument for the likelihood of the existence of intelligent extraterrestrial life in the galaxy.

1017
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:21,000
Frank Drake developed an equation that took the probability of different things happening.

1018
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:30,000
Having the right type of sun, having the right type of planet, how many planets and stars there were, and made an estimate of how likely life would be.

1019
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:42,000
The Drake equation would seem to logically predict tens of thousands of civilizations out there that we ought to be able to hear on radio traffic.

1020
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:52,000
The thing with the videos, there are factions that probably think it's Russia or it's China or it's our own tech, and so it's not Russia and China.

1021
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:54,000
Otherwise the Drake equation would be hard to find.

1022
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:58,000
I don't know whether he'd decipher a leap or holding my breath.

1023
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:00,000
Let me add to this.

1024
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:07,000
Up until recently, if a pilot saw and reported a UFO, it was the end of his career.

1025
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:12,000
They decided he was nuts or whatever and wasn't trustworthy or it was something you didn't talk about.

1026
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:23,000
The new protocols are, while there may be pieces that are classified to it, the deal is if you see something you have to say something to us, because if these things are flying around in our airspace, we need to know about it.

1027
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:25,000
They destigmatized us.

1028
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:27,000
That was the point.

1029
01:19:27,000 --> 01:19:36,000
I think that ancient aliens has enabled the world to talk about these topics in a more open fashion.

1030
01:19:36,000 --> 01:19:45,000
I think that a discussion of the extraterrestrial question, the way it is conducted today, was not possible 15 years ago.

1031
01:19:45,000 --> 01:19:53,000
I mean, there are someone at this table who have been following this, including myself, for 25 plus years.

1032
01:19:53,000 --> 01:20:08,000
I think that ancient aliens was the reason for this paradigm shift, that we blazed the trail for these discussions to go on right now and for more people to come on board with these ideas.

1033
01:20:08,000 --> 01:20:13,000
So I think that ancient aliens has been part of disclosure.

1034
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:24,000
I think it's utterly, utterly fascinating and, you know, we've been at this discussion so beautifully and so connectively.

1035
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:26,000
I feel like I've known you all my life.

1036
01:20:26,000 --> 01:20:31,000
So the through line that I started our discussion was, convince me.

1037
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:47,000
What I'd like to tell you is, and I got to chill just thinking about it, is that I feel, I believe much more now about what you purportedly think of as ancient aliens.

1038
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:55,000
I am beginning to understand more why people of your intelligence and education believe that this is this to be true.

1039
01:20:55,000 --> 01:20:58,000
I understand that more completely now.

1040
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:05,000
I am so grateful that you impart it to me and hopefully to the audience watching the show.

1041
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:16,000
This passionate information in all its various forms that you all individually believe, it smacks of passionate smacks of truth,

1042
01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:27,000
it smacks of intrigue, it smacks of complexity and a mystery that is unexplained.

1043
01:21:27,000 --> 01:21:29,000
Thank you.